Curse

Guild Wars Guru · Jul 27, 2005, 02:06 PM // 14:06

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Satire Elexus · Jul 27, 2005, 02:06 PM // 14:06

Lets say your up against an air spiking team. As most of us know lightning spells have 25% armour penetration. If this is turned into cold damage, what happens to the damage and the armour penetration? If somone casts chain lightning that does 80 or so damage with 25% armour penetration, is it still the same but just classed as cold?

John Bloodstone · Jul 27, 2005, 02:13 PM // 14:13

I assume, and this really is only a guess - that if ALL elemental damage is turned to cold, then the armour pen. is negated, since cold damage doesn't penetrate armour (to my knowledge). If it doesn't already work this way then it should do, why should lightning do 25% armour pen. if it gets converted into something else?

Shwitz · Jul 27, 2005, 03:02 PM // 15:02

Hehe... the biting cold shall rip thru your armor! I think that the armor penetration remains, even if it is converted to cold. I believe that the lightning skills say in their description "This attack has 25% armor penetration", not "This attack does X lightning damage in an area that penetrates armor only when it causes lightning damage." The armor penetration doesn't seem to be conditional... All though I could be wrong...

JoDiamonds · Jul 27, 2005, 03:17 PM // 15:17

Yes. The spell causes the penetration.

Lightning damage does not penetrate armor. Many Air spells do.

Perseus 101 · Aug 31, 2005, 01:38 AM // 01:38

Ya this is my first post...were do i get this skill?

Rajamic · Aug 31, 2005, 09:11 AM // 09:11

You get the quest here:

http://cleaned.beyondunreal.com/temp...wardQuests.htm

Perseus 101 · Aug 31, 2005, 04:26 PM // 16:26

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Perseus 101 · Aug 31, 2005, 04:26 PM // 16:26

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Perseus 101 · Aug 31, 2005, 04:27 PM // 16:27

oops

Mercury Angel · Aug 31, 2005, 06:22 PM // 18:22

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Originally Posted by Perseus 101

oops

Oops? ...

Oops?!

What in the world is wrong with you people?
You double-posted, so you make up for it by... triple posting?

THAT is what you do when you make an accident, not add to it.
Please, this is getting rediculous. There's a poster on here who's made 2 QUINTUPLE posts already, all made up of one-liners and spam. We don't need any more of it.

Enigmatics · Sep 01, 2005, 05:11 PM // 17:11

You must really, REALLY, advocate "cyber garbage cleanup", as they say. Anyway, apart from the apocolyptic events that triple posting is obviously ushering, i'll confirm that lightning spells themselves don't have base armor penetration, or Lightning Surge would be used more.

One famous Combo is Winter+Greater Conflag+Drydar's Defences+Frostbound armor. USED to sucessfully turn all damage (chaos, shadow, holy not included) into cold damage. Now, however, since spirits have been considerably nerfed, I don't think it works.

Mercury Angel · Sep 01, 2005, 06:00 PM // 18:00

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Originally Posted by Enigmatics

You must really, REALLY, advocate "cyber garbage cleanup", as they say. Anyway, apart from the apocolyptic events that triple posting is obviously ushering, i'll confirm that lightning spells themselves don't have base armor penetration, or Lightning Surge would be used more.

One famous Combo is Winter+Greater Conflag+Drydar's Defences+Frostbound armor. USED to sucessfully turn all damage (chaos, shadow, holy not included) into cold damage. Now, however, since spirits have been considerably nerfed, I don't think it works.

The triple post is only mildly annoying. The lack of common sense is what gets me. It's like standing in someone's way, looking around, going, "Oh, oops. Sorry, didn't realize I was in your way.", and then sitting down and making yourself comfortable.
To add even more insult, 'oops' has as many letters as both of his other one-liners combined.

Anyway, on-topic:

Winter is most commonly used in the final PvE mission. Either the monsters are resistant to fire, or vulnerable to cold, I can't remember really.
Another PvP that many people have come up with at varying times is the one listed in the mini prima guide you get for pre-ordering-
Winter+Greater Conflag+Mantra of Frost

Winter is still OK, and narrows down a lot of options for you even without Greater Conflagration, and cold resistant armor isn't all that commonly worn otherwise.
An elementalist will know what elemental resist to wear, a mesmer will know which Mantra is applicable (even if physical+elemental isn't cold, all elemental will still be), and a necromancer could use a spell like Spinal Shivers.

Enigmatics · Sep 01, 2005, 06:35 PM // 18:35

Forgive me if I sound rather cranky. Putting explanations aside, I'll explain my earlier post. One of the newest updates limit the number of spirits you can have on the field to one per attribute (Wilderness Survival, Expertise, etc). Both Winter and Greater Conflag are found under Wilderness Survival.

Mercury Angel · Sep 01, 2005, 07:20 PM // 19:20

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Originally Posted by Enigmatics

Forgive me if I sound rather cranky. Putting explanations aside, I'll explain my earlier post. One of the newest updates limit the number of spirits you can have on the field to one per attribute (Wilderness Survival, Expertise, etc). Both Winter and Greater Conflag are found under Wilderness Survival.

Haven't played with spirits since the update much, so nice to know.

arredondo · Sep 01, 2005, 07:43 PM // 19:43

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Ranger

* Pets: Increased pets' run speed by 20%; increased pets' armor to 80 at level 20

* Crippling Shot: Decreased recharge time to 1 second; decreased duration of Cripple to 8 seconds

* Distracting Shot: Decreased attack time from .75 to .5 seconds

* Punishing Shot: Decreased attack time from .75 to .5 seconds; increased recharge time to 8 seconds

* Concussion Shot: Decreased attack time from .75 to .5 seconds

* Nature's Renewal: Modified to no longer remove all Hexes and Enchantments when cast; now doubles the Energy degeneration for maintained Enchantments

* Fertile Season: Reduced duration to 15..45 seconds

* Quickening Zephyr: Increased Energy cost to 25; reduced duration to 15..45 seconds

* All Spirits: The effects of Spirits no longer work on other Spirits (example: Fertile Season no longer adds Health and armor to other Spirits); also, when a Spirit is cast, it kills all other allied Spirits of the same type within its range

That change does not appear anywhere on the official list of Ranger adjustments. I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere but here... I can't test it right now, but can someone validate the claim that only one Spirit per attribute are allowed now?

Sniper22 · Sep 01, 2005, 07:54 PM // 19:54

i think all it means is that you can't have to winter spirits up, or two energizing winds up, anyway winter makes a R/Me with armor for cold damage a great tank.

Mercury Angel · Sep 01, 2005, 08:01 PM // 20:01

Ok, actually tested-

Edit:
Just fixed some esthetic issues.

arredondo · Sep 01, 2005, 08:08 PM // 20:08

Thanks, I didn't think that sounded right at all.

Christine Shadow · Sep 14, 2005, 08:00 PM // 20:00

WERE DO U GET THIS SKILL